A Little More On Alpha and Beta Male Traits

Adding some refinement to an earlier post
Most discussion of Alpha and Beta Males see the relationship between them to be polar opposites. In other words, you are either an Alpha Male, or a Beta Male, with not much in between the two. Occasionally you get a reference to an Omega Male who is so terrible at everything that he falls below even the lowest of Betas. The ranking looks like this, and the stereotypical sex life is displayed as well.
However as I’ve said before, I see Alpha Male and Beta Male, as not simply a fixed status, but as…
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Comments

  1. lastinline says:

    I love your advice Atholk, but Captain Picard is simply not the epitome of "maleness". I forgave you the bantha methaphor and the Princess Leia stuff, but Star Trek? Really? I thought this blog was about advice on how to get laid more by your wife. LIL

  2. Athol Kay says:

    You're gonna hate the Captain and First Officer metaphor here then :-D

  3. Anonymous says:

    Thanks this makes alot of sense – Its funny how its so easy not to think of our hard wired responses when hitting on women, and of theirs. Advice taken, I'm off to "make it so"

  4. Athol Kay says:

    Thanks for the comment :)

  5. Anonymous says:

    This seems to be a different point of view on the "Omega Male." This is also the first time I've heard of the "Gamma Male."

    From what I've read, the Omega Male may be the weakest beta, but they're also the "Lone Alpha," meaning that they just don't give a crap about the whole Alpha/Beta thing, and they do their own thing without any bias toward the status quo.

    An Introverted example of an Omega would be the "total badass anti-hero". An Extroverted example would be the bar-hopping nomad that always has a story to tell, jack-of-all-trades, master of none.

    In other words, the Omega is an opportunist: they'll sneak off with the woman that competing Alphas are too busy fighting over. They do have the Alpha problem with long-term relationships as well as the Beta problem of keeping things exciting…

  6. Anonymous says:

    Vox Day recently came out with new taxonomy of male types with 7 categories. It is much more useful than the Alpha-Beta-Omega taxonomy used in the PUA community. Unfortunately, he also has a Gamma and it is not consistent with yours. Perhaps you could correspond with him, and work to create one over-arching taxonomy for people interested in the principles of game but who recognize that the PUA taxonomy is too simplistic.

    The post is entitled "Roissy and the limits of game" at the site Vox Popoli. I would paste the URL but this comment box is not allowing me to paste.

  7. Athol Kay says:

    Yes I had read over that post, but ultimately I found it too complicated as a concept to try and implement. The beauty of the alpha/beta concepts is that it is immediately understandable, and can be put into practice quickly. I'm not overly interested in winning a philosophy battle, just helping regular husbands figure their wives out better.

    I believe my adjustment of seeing alpha and beta as two distinct trait groups and not mutually exclusive is enough of an advancement.

    Also in doing my research I adopted the gamma defintion of the literary community – most particularly that of the romance novel genre. I believe their insight to be valuable in what appeals to female sexuality. Billions and billions served I believe is their claim to power ;-)

  8. bbleeker says:

    @lastinline: well, that's sort of the point, right? Picard isn't the epitome of alpha maleness, maybe – but he is incredibly sexy. I'll admit I don't watch a lot of TV, but so far, that man is the most attractive guy I've ever seen on it.

  9. Anonymous says:

    So all "gammas" are married? Seems strange.

  10. ashleeekaren says:

    I like this post – I tend to find it tedious to put men into either on or the other category – I think that the traits of Alpha and Beta can be similar in a lot of ways. You can have a physical Alpha who is a Beta inside.

    But I mostly liked this post because you mentioned Jean Luc-Picard, who has GOT to be the sexiest Starship Captain that the Enterprise, nay the FEDERATION, has EVER. KNOWN.

  11. Workshy Joe says:

    Athol,

    This is where you lost me. You're not using the terms "Alpha", "Beta" and "Omega" the way ethologists do.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpha_%28ethology%29

    By extension, you're not using it the way Gamers do either.

    That makes it hard to have a sensible conversation. It means talking at cross-purposes.

  12. Athol Kay says:

    I'm not talking at cross purposes Workshy Joe. I'm simply ploughing my own frame until everyone agrees with me. It's working really well :-)

    More seriously, I've been advancing a critically different approach than Roissy et al and returned in part to the comfort building routines of The Mystery Method.

    I don't see Alpha and Beta as rankings, but a set of behaviors that align with a hormonal response. It's brilliantly effective as an approach and that's all I care about.

    To be honest I came from the computer gaming use of Alpha and Beta. The Alpha is bareful functional and the Beta is buggy but playable.

    It's all in the first part of the book. I see you're in the UK. Will have pleasant announcemnt for the international readers a little later.

  13. Anonymous says:

    I love this post. Also you could use the other members of the federation as examples. Kirk/Riker: Too Alpha not enough Beta. Spock/Data: Too Beta not enough Alpha.
    Barclay/Scotty: Omega
    Not sure about Cisco and Janeway.
    But I totally agree Picard is a total Gamma man, he was so cool that he didn't even need to get laid regularly for you to buy his sexiness…that is a feat!

    "Also in doing my research I adopted the gamma defintion of the literary community – most particularly that of the romance novel genre. I believe their insight to be valuable in what appeals to female sexuality. Billions and billions served I believe is their claim to power ;-) "

    I did an analysis on Twilight if you need help with that, I think Smeyer designed Edward as an Omega man but also she used a lot of the ideas about how male and female work in mate selection/sexual economics. Let me know if you want to read more about it.

    S.R.

  14. Anonymous says:

    Sorry Janeway is a woman, she doesn't bellong to this list.
    But talking about women do you have a simmilar exampled of a Gamma Female?
    S.R.

  15. Anonymous says:

    Sorry again Edward is a Gamma Male…gah stupid fingers!

  16. hsu says:

    Athol, might I suggest another greek letter instead of "gamma", as the term seems to be in use by others? After all, there are 20+ other greek letters out there.

    @Anonymous, I think that very few married men fit the gamma mold. Most married men are betas.

    The only real way to tell a gamma apart from an alpha or a beta is to look for a guy…
    1) with an attractive & slender significant other
    2) who still actively marks her man
    3) even after being in a multi-year monogamous relationship.

    Points 1-2 are alpha traits, while point 3 is the tell tale sign of a beta.

  17. Athol Kay says:

    Hsu – "Gamma Male" is the term used by romance writers for a character combining Alpha and Beta Traits for quite some time, hence my use of it.

    The manosphere writers are all very late to the Greek Letter party.

  18. Anonymous says:

    I have recently stumbled upon your blog after receiving something close to the "I love you, but I am not in love with you." It came in the form "I don't feel connected to you anymore. We're not clicking like we used to." Thanks for the advice I have seen so far. I realize I have gone too far to the extreme of Beta, and I understand that my wife has lost what she felt for me. However, I have been trying to work on it and overcome many years of teaching myself Beta traits. I think I recently had laughable first attempts at assertiveness, but still have a ways to go before she'll love me again. Aside from watching Chuck Norris movies, can you point me to some good ways to learn more Alpha characteristics (perhaps I just haven't explored your other posts enough)? Any help would be appreciated!

  19. Juste Sommeguy says:

    Vox’s hierarchy is designed to adapt Game to larger social issues, though it takes sexual roles into consideration. Athol’s, if I read it right, is more focused on the sexual, with an emphasis on LTR/marriage setups — less directly explosive and more enduring than Roissy etcetera. An overlapping unified theory might be useful, but it would be necessarily less focused than either approach, which would dilute or deaden the usefulness for the author’s purposes.

    I’m more interested in the greater social ramifications of Game, so technically Vox’s system is more geared towards my purposes, but I like the elegance and applicability of Athol’s better… Anyway, Alpha Game’s link to this blog strongly suggests (though does not prove) that Vox believes Athol’s system is also good… Not that Vox’s approval is a necessary indicator of quality.

    I suspect that turning Athol’s square into a cube, with introversion/extroversion as the third axis, and perhaps labeling in-between categories, would probably account for most or all of Vox’s categories. But, again, that would be of little use to Athol, and wouldn’t add much to Vox, and would possibly blur the intended discussions on either side.

  20. Harry says:

    You are correct. Beta male qualities are those one would require to work in the modern office cubicle; similar to a drone in a bee hive. Beta males are those who will taunt an alpha knowing perfectly well that should the alpha respond as required, the law will come down on him and he will be jailed, possibly lose his job, and find himself in some nanny state anger management classes; thus, society empowers beta males at the expense of alpha males.

  21. Harry says:

    I met Chuck Norris when I was in junior high school. It might sound hard to believe but he was the shortest person in the crowd. And he didn’t appear to be all that built, either. I guess he spent a lot of time pumping up before the shirt came off. Most of the males in my neighborhood, naturally, were betas. Most of the guys I knew of who joined the military were beta-to-the-max. I can think of only one exception. These guys were in one or two relationships before enlisting. Most of the guys I knew growing up were in at best a 3 – 4 relationships before they got married, generally at 25 years of age. Most of them have since divorced and it has cost them plenty. Their marriages died slow deaths. Either the wives looked like they were eating out of a pig’s trough or they stayed lean and trim and cheated whenever they got an itch. One or the other. It is funny when the woman decides that she’d like to quit the job and at the same time she is hell bent against a reduced standard of living. It’s like her having a degree and a job and earning money or having that potential is just a teaser or enticement to marriage. In some certain ways you could say that the woman putting up her act and the beta male pretending to be an alpha results in a marriage made in hell for them both.

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