Got a good pair of videos today. Both about 7-8 minutes long, but they do illustrate some key points perfectly. The “Hummer Mom” seduced two 14 year old boys and is now jailed for her crimes.
Her Interview:
Watch her Rationalization Hamster going full throttle. Not once did she admit that she planned to seduce them from the get go. “It just happened.”
Notice her complete personality change once she is sexually interested in the first boy. I’m pretty sure that she was a reasonably good Mormon “nice wife, good mom” up until all this started, then all bets are off. She lies, steals from her husband to the tune of tens of thousands if dollars, bribes the boys, threatens them when it starts coming apart and becomes increasingly erratic and risk taking as it progresses. This is not simply related to underage sex partners, but is common to any illicit sexual relationship behavior (male or female).
Her religious beliefs are irrelevant once she starts on her course of action. I say this not to slam Mormons in particular, but just as a simple statement of reality. I have seen too many people of all religious persuasions (including my own Atheist position) go to the dark side when extra-marital sexual opportunity is presented. Religious belief possibly acts as a mild preventative to starting down the road to being in an affair, but once they start down that road, they are taken by the dark side just like everyone else. The good wife you knew is gone, having been replaced with her evil twin.
His Interview:
Oneitis. On the plus side, he did eventually turn her in, but he’s still not able to break away from her. I get the Mormon belief of eternal life together as a couple plays a serious role here. In straight earthly terms though, whatever they had is never going to be the same again, she’ll come out of jail quite emotionally different and be near completely unemployable. It’s not just the pedophile thing… she stole tens of thousands of dollars from her job/husband. He’s still emotionally hooked into her, so he’ll possibly limp through her jail time and stay with her.
He knew something was up with her. Maybe not the whole time, but for at least some of it. The solution at that point was to actually “trust but verify”, by which I mean putting her ass under proper surveillance. Keyloggers, nanny cams, follow her… and seeing as all this went down in the car, a voice activated recorder in the car would have caught all this very, very quickly. Possibly before she crossed the line into actual sex.
Sorry if all that is a dark read, but there is one take-away point from all this…
Women all have an inner slut component to their personality.
Cars, big house, fancy vacations, successful husband, happy family… her inner slut does not care about these things. Her inner slut only cares about cock. It’s not enough to throw money at her if you aren’t at least occasionally “banging the shit out of her”. Some hair pulling, playful swats on her ass, dirty talk and demands to get blown during work hours might have soothed her inner slut needs and avoided this entire disaster.
The silver lining approach for the husband is to stay together through the whole ordeal and go for a book deal at the end of it. But personally I think exposing your marriage and all it’s flaws to the public for money is incredibly tacky and…
…oh.
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The idea that child abuse can be prevented by better sex at home is false and dangerous.
But illict sex outside of a marriage can certainly be influenced by better sex at home – which was the point I was making as you well know.
modernguy: Do you want all women to judge you by the actions of a rapist? So why judge all women by this woman?
Screwing a 14 year old is abhorrent. A woman would have to have some serious flaw in her personality to do that.
I am the last one to get on my high horse and act like I am immune to temptations but if I were going to be tempted to cheat it would be with someone who was at least 20. Taking advantage of a barely pubescent boy is wrong on SO many levels.
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Screwing a 14 y/o is abhorrent. I think him staying with her is a serious personality flaw as well.
@paige
I'm not just judging by her example. She's just another (maybe extreme) example in a very long and increasingly shameless list of behaviors in the modern woman's repertoire. I'm talking about sluts at bars, in college, cheaters, liars, serial daters and just generally detestable human beings. Women have the right to do almost anything they want now, so if we are to judge them by the way the act when no external pressure is put on them, then this is what it is.
It's almost stunning to note the utter incoherency of her oft-made claim that she "wants to take responsibility," when she almost immediately follows with the victim card about how she was just incapable of doing anything other than being passively led to a different room to be ravished by a 14-year old.
Also, 5 years? Seriously? That's a pretty huge female sentencing discount.
Agree SK.
Also most male pedophiles don't get TV interviews.
Athol:
It's possible to condemn this woman without implying she is a pedophile. Using the term for people who have consensual sex with teens -when the statuatory age in some places is 16 -cheapens the word. The proper word in her case is ehebophile, and her crime was statuatory rape, so I'd never refer to her as a rapist. Consent is consent. She could have tied these young teens up or drugged them, she could have also forced herself on a 5 year old.
Considering full fledged murder often gets 8 years or less in some states, I'd say her five years is fine, also.
Clarence
I've not seen anyone go to the darkside in the affair situation (e.g. defrauding employers, doing crazy stuff). As I observe, often an affair is a considered action to fill a gap in a life. For example, husband and wife stay together to look after children, perhaps one partner is ill … in some Asian cultures the second wife is a common practice for rich men who have married for family or business reasons. Nobody has gone crazy while I have been observing ….
BTW – I've been a teacher and carer for young people. 14 year olds still look like kids to me – especially the boys – I don't know any teacher or adult that feels sexually attracted to them. I worry about the way the lady's brain is programmed. If she lacked sex, having an affair with an adult male is a very easy thing to arrange. It's even easier to buy a toy. I really don't understand what happened here.
great analysis, spot on.
Modernguy – this is a one issue blog. Race is not the issue I cover.
You are welcome to comment, but stay on topic please.
Candice – Hang out on the Talk About Marriage forums for a bit. You will see the most appalling things people do to each other with affairs.
"I'm talking about sluts at bars, in college, cheaters, liars, serial daters and just generally detestable human beings."
Yeah, cause we all know there are no men like that.
First, I'm tired of the whining about "double standards" in these cases. The reason nobody thinks it's as bad when women seduce teenage boys is that it's *not* as bad! That doesn't mean it's okay, but the risks to girls are much, much higher – both physically and emotionally.
Second, this is not pedophilia. At worst it's pederasty, but the simplest explanation seems to be not a sexual one (i.e., she prefers boys to men) but a more ho-hum human nature one (i.e., it was easier to seduce a 14-year-old pre-alpha than a full-grown man). To be crass about it: she spotted low-hanging, high-quality fruit and she picked it.
Thanks for showing what´s wrong with western education system Outsider.
It´s actually the other way around. All over this world and throughout human history young girls are married to older men.
Result: healthy population growth everywhere BUT in the oh so enlightened boy-abusing west.
Your "´merica" wouldn´t exist if the current female-slut whoreshiping legislation were enforced back in the day.
Young girls are by nature much more advanced emotionally and physically than young boys.
Only our sex worshiping culture is turning this into a taboo by supposedly child protecting statutory rape laws, which are then interpreted in the most male-abusing ways.
And don´t let me even get started on the liberal/feminist/communist boy hating abusers currently infesting our education systems. Be it the hard core lesbian types or the self-hating white-knights.
http://malechauvinist.blogspot.com/2008/01/biology-is-destiny-why-female-teachers.html
"It´s actually the other way around. All over this world and throughout human history young girls are married to older men."
Seriously hans? Seriously? How many of those young girls had a choice about their marriage? Both the timing and the husband. Who do you think made that choice for them? And how often was/ is that choice made for them based on financial/ social gain for the person making those choices?
"Young girls are by nature much more advanced emotionally and physically than young boys."
Have you spent much time around 14 year old girls hans? They aren't usually that emotionally advanced. And while their bodies may have started to sexually mature, they aren't fully mature and a fully grown man should have no business going there.
I agree with your point. Recently, I had to tell the boyfriend that if we don't have sex at least twice a week and do something really depraved every month or so, then I will stray. Not today, not tomorrow, but eventually. He understands and is great about this, even though he's the low-libido partner.
HOWEVER — surely you could have found a better example. This woman may not technically be a pediphile, but she is a sociopath. Her daughter's bf?!?! Making it the kid's fault! Stealing from her husband! This was long-term, planned and devious. It makes me wonder what her full history is (this can't be her first scum-moment). There's something going on here with her needing to be the best, the most in control, sexually – maybe sexual competition with a teen daughter or something – and narcissism that was already there blew things up.
I hate to accuse you of having a double standard, but if a guy were having sex with young teen girls, would you have blamed his wife?
It also really burned me that this never got referred to as statutory rape.
@LJ, throw your feminist hyperbole at somebody who cares.
US/western statistics on teen pregnancy, single moms, majority of delinquents raised by single moms, and divorce rates clearly show how crap women at the mercy of their own urges are at creating and maintaining a successful family unit.
Most damning of all are of course the catastrophically declining nation-destroying birthrates.
All problems non-western "backward" countries don´t have.
Nice going, Hans. You kicked that strawman's ass! Now, what do you think about what I actually posted? I.e., that grown men having sex with young girls is actually worse than grown women having sex with boys. It's not a double standard, it's a distinction with a difference.
In fact, you've got it exactly backwards. It's a feminist argument that both cases are the same. The rest of us understand that they're different – although both are bad – because boys and girls are different .
hans, I'm not a feminist, I just don't agree with you, there's a difference. I'm also not quite sure what my point about older men marrying young girls (not young women, girls) has to do with single mums/ birthrates.
@ The Outsider – I agree with your points on this one.
Actually YOU got it backwards Outsider.
It´s the standard feminist move to treat females preferential to males on legislating laws that supposedly further equality or protect children.
What you are advocating is that it´s OK for manipulative female sexual predators to fuck up a young boys sexuality for the rest of his life, while on reversing the genders, heads have to roll.
It´s the typical "every vagina is sacred" spiel, instead of "every sperm..".
@LJ, could´ve fooled me. Already answered your question.
I wonder how much of an impact the Internet and "MILF" culture is leading to things like this? What happened was certainly wrong, but it seems like we're assuming the boy in question never did anything to get this to the point of no return. I doubt that's the case. Now, 20 years ago, I think it would have been safe to assume this, but not now. I was probably world's horniest 14 year old, but with someone's mom? I doubt it would have happened even if this had been the case:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKT4f_u7sNQ
The optimum ages for female fertility are 18-25. Before 18 pregnancy has significantly more risks.
Under age 15 the death rate from pregnancy is much higher than for the older group.
Poor weight gain is one of the biggest issues for teens.
Just because a person can get pregnant it doesn't mean they should. Some 11 year olds can get pregnant, but it doesn't mean their body can handle the stress.
This husband is an utter fool not to divorce his wife. He would have gotten a far better deal even in California if he had.
She's gonna divorce him when she gets out, after a year or two. Then he'll likely have to pay her the full freight California lifetime alimony at something like 40% of his after tax earnings, in excess of hers. She will of course not work.
Talk about a screw job that is American divorce 2.0.
When people consider much older but still good looking women having sex with early teen boys, they imagine it's usual male female sexuality, often.
I'd imagine that most of the time when women want to do this they engage in quite or maybe very female dominant sex. When a 14 yo boy loses his virginity with such a still good looking woman, and then has an extended sexual relationship with her, that can twist and mold his sexuality from what it otherwise would be. Male submissives are often cuckolded etc.
I don't always like your humor, but that last line is CLASSIC. LOL
Athol, this woman's sick. It takes more than healthy hot sex to cure a child-preying psycho.
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