Hook, Line and Sink Into Her

Women want to be actively gamed and seduced…
…but…
…women want to believe game isn’t needed to seduce them.
So you hook them, reel them in, then tell them there isn’t actually a hook – just love.
The hook is still there of course, you just feed their hamster a line to help them believe that there isn’t one.
Most Last Minute Resistance is essentially some sort of questioning to assure herself that you are in fact into her. It also really helps to sell that you are into her, if you are in fact a little crazy about her.
 

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Comments

  1. Anonymous says:

    Huh? Context, please? Or an example?

  2. Stingray says:

    Example: You are pulling her in for a sex or a hot and heavy make out session. You got her to this point by gaming her. Yes, she needs that but most women absolutely do not want to admit that they like being gamed. It implies weakness in these women's minds.

    So, the hook you used to get them to this point is, obviously, game. But you tell them it is love/your crazy about her/whatever conveys appropriate attraction for the situation to get past the Last Minute Resistance. Women need this as most of us want to be assured of the man's feelings before we give in. Athol's point is that it is even better when you are, in fact, a little bit crazy about her.

  3. Anonymous says:

    But how does a woman tell the difference? Having been cheated on and all, I am now a never-ending set of shit tests to try to prove/disprove this very point – is he *really* into *me*, or just the sex?

  4. Anonymous says:

    "Huh? Context, please? Or an example? "

    Yeah, this post needs to be fleshed out a bit.

  5. Anonymous says:

    Depends what you mean by "game"; the more posters you go by, the more flexible that term becomes. Some just use it to mean ANY kind of seduction or successful social skill; others use it to mean a very specific kind. So I have no idea what to make of this. Except that playing games, which some kind of "game" is, is jerky. And this: "So you hook them, reel them in, then tell them there isn't actually a hook – just love. The hook is still there of course, you just feed their hamster a line to help them believe that there isn't one"

    sounds like an as*hole ploy. Do you know how demoralizing it is when you constantly talk about "hamsters?" It makes us wonder whether you honestly think of us as human beings with intelligent brains. More secular bullshit.

  6. Anonymous says:

    "Yes, she needs that but most women absolutely do not want to admit that they like being gamed. It implies weakness in these women's minds"

    I'm not sure whether THIS post is speaking of weakness in either men's or women's minds.

    "But how does a woman tell the difference?"

    Exactly why so much of game can slip into fakeness and/or an insincere act (depending on the guy). Of course, shit tests on a constant level aren't good either; THEY confuse men and keep them uncertain of OUR motives. Damn, we're screwed up.

  7. Anonymous says:

    Well, Athol, at least you give men hamsters too; I'll give you that.

    Jennifer 6

  8. Anonymous says:

    "So you hook them, reel them in, then tell them there isn't actually a hook – just love"

    On your part, or hers??

  9. Badger says:

    "Do you know how demoralizing it is when you constantly talk about "hamsters?" It makes us wonder whether you honestly think of us as human beings with intelligent brains"

    People like to think their rational minds are in control of their lives, when in fact 95% of what we do is driven by subconscious, pre-rational hindbrain mechanisms. "Intelligent brains" have very little effect on our sexual attraction mechanisms.

    The hamster meme is simply a shorthand way of acknowledging that. Consider it a counterpoint to the tired "men think with their little head" meme. It resonates with modern men because we've been so massively fibbed to about how women's attraction systems work, we've been led to believe modern cultural niceties will turn on their psychological hardware that's thousands of years old. We all knew there's something else going on in there we just couldn't figure it out.

  10. Anonymous says:

    That's a good explanation, Badger, except that every time I disagree with some arrogant men about what women need or want, or even some other issue, I'm accused of my hamster running; it's disgusting. And this post didn't sound like a man, with his direct address, was talking to her hindbrain. But at least Athol's an equal-hamsterizer with the sexes.

  11. Anonymous says:

    "we've been led to believe modern cultural niceties will turn on their psychological hardware that's thousands of years old"

    I think women need as well as desire strong men. But unfortunately, our modern culture is in fact advising everyone to cater more to their "caveman" hindbrains and shallow urges than deeper emotional needs or intellectual instincts. Men's hindbrains are attracted to sights of flesh, even if the flesh belongs to a clearly loose woman, and even if their rational minds would never select her as permanent mate; women's hindbrains are often attracted to "dangerous" males, even if rationality says he's a bad mate.

    Jennifer 6

  12. TrophyWife says:

    I'm curious, too, how a woman is supposed to determine if a man really IS crazy about her, or if he's just feeding her a line and hook. Seems almost impossible to make that distinction when a man is gaming, even if his feelings are genuine.

    But I do wish I had found Athol's blog before I got married and was still playing the dating game. I actually think more of his posts are geared toward the single person rather than the married man…

  13. Badger says:

    "I'm curious, too, how a woman is supposed to determine if a man really IS crazy about her, or if he's just feeding her a line and hook. Seems almost impossible to make that distinction when a man is gaming, even if his feelings are genuine."

    It goes the same way for men, hard for us to tell if a woman really likes us or just likes the attention.

  14. Anonymous says:

    Badger! That's an awesome answer @1:09pm! Thank you!! Oy, if we could all just be honest. "Yes, sweetie, I love you. And that means I want to show you by fucking your braibs out. Because no words will ever do better."

  15. Anonymous says:

    Yes Anon, if we COULD just be honest. That's where we have to be careful with online advice about game; some can creep into manipulation or deception. Game as general charisma is awesome, but when you get to individual definitions and advice, especially in LTRs, it can get tricky. This is one of the reasons (the need for honesty, I mean) that I believe women should have direct veto power in marriage and authority in general: because, when they don't, they often default to more subtle means of power (influence at best, manipulation at worst). I've seen women talk about how their husbands want no more children, but they do, yet they feel required to "submit to his authority" and shut up any discussion. So instead, they "pray that he'll change his mind"; they have NOT dropped the subject in their minds, and if they're praying for their husbands to change, that probably means they'll try other more subtle ways to get him to change as well.

    Jennifer 6

  16. Anonymous says:

    This is the most disgusting and offensive argument in favor of deception I have ever seen. It's ok to lie to your wife because she wants it? Seriously?

    I know your own rationalization "hamster" will come out to say that it's ok to deceive the woman you supposedly care about because you're helping the marriage or that there's more to the game than just lying or some other line of hogwash.

  17. Charles says:

    Jennifer 6, when you refer to 'direct veto power' for women, how much of what kind of power are you proposing women have? Does such a proposal stop short of all the power for her and none for him, and if so, how far does it stop short?

  18. Anonymous says:

    "Does such a proposal stop short of all the power for her and none for him"

    Of course not, though some seem to fear that. I believe they should both have veto power.

    Jennifer 6

  19. Charles says:

    If it is acceptable for both to have veto power, then why, in your previous post's example, was a woman wanting more children and a man effectively vetoing them not acceptable for the woman? You presented that situation as a problem, and veto power for women as the solution. I still don't see how that would work.

  20. Anonymous says:

    "If it is acceptable for both to have veto power, then why, in your previous post's example, was a woman wanting more children and a man effectively vetoing them not acceptable for the woman?"

    Because his word was taken as law and considered the end of the discussion.

    Jennifer 6

  21. Anonymous says:

    It's good for spouses to have spheres of authority, with both also able to voice disagreement with the others' choice. But the matter of children is one that both need to be at peace about, not one that a single spouse lays down the law about.

    Jennifer 6

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