Fitness and Whatnot

Anyway about a week and a bit into finally properly eating and exercising. Basically returning to the Supreme 90 Day DVDs and eating Paleo. Or at least what I think Paleo is lol. the Mark Sisson books have arrived but I haven’t had the time to read them as yet. All I’ve had to eat for about the last week is meat, fruit, vegetables and protein shakes. I don’t have crazy weight loss to report, but I feel a lot better for it. On and some peanuts too. Can I eat the nuts or not? Not sure, I’m not planning to find out until I finish the big ol’ can though.

The most interesting thing that’s happened was on Sunday morning, I had egg, cheese and bacon on my old standard multi-grain bread in my one grain cheat to date. Anyway, the sandwich was fine, except for one glaring problem… it tasted sweet. This is meant to be a savory protein sandwich. Savory. Why the hell is my bread sweet???  Check bag for ingredients… hot damn… the second one listed is sugar. What’s up with that?

I’ve stopped putting sugar in my coffee and didn’t really notice any difference. Oh and someone on the forum suggested Lecithin as a supplement for harderfasterstronger and experimenting with that.  Anyway… “that’s a lot of cum” saith Jennifer. Though who knows what caused it all exactly.

Jennifer and I are having a fun week with each other. It’s been cuddly.

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Comments

  1. jessie says:

    Sorry, no peanuts on the paleo diet! They are technically a legume. But most other nuts are fine. :0)

  2. anon says:

    If you can, try to go 30 days w/o cheating on grains. Then, after that, do whatever–but at least you’ll have a baseline of how much better you feel (this is what Robb Wolf suggests). It takes a while for the grain influence to work through your system. I can not begin to describe how much better I feel w/o grains, nor how *terrible* i feel when I do eat them again. In fairness, though, I think I have a stronger reaction than most

  3. Ross says:

    All bread has sugar (I believe it’s necessary to make it rise), but American bread is noticeably sweeter than British bread, I find whenever I’m visiting the US (I’m British). The best option is to buy a bread maker, so you can control your own ingredients – they’re cheap, and simple to use :-)

  4. jodark says:

    It is pretty crazy how your taste buds recalibrate to taste more subtle sweetness after you haven’t had any sugar in a while.

  5. Protein caused “that”.

  6. MikeIn OR says:

    You might also be interested in Protein Power Lifeplan, written by two MDs.

  7. LongLostFriend says:

    If you are going Paleo, Athol, I would recommend this new book as the best intro/reference to the “how’s and why’s” of Paleo.

    I have lost 60 pouns since mid-March just by changing what I put in my body. I wish I had found out about Paleo ten years ago. And, yeah, my girlfriend (who also followed me into Paleo) noticeably appreciates the difference.

  8. Thaedron says:

    Almonds / pecans / walnuts are better alternatives to peanuts. While I can’t speak to paleo, nuts (in moderation) are good IMHO. Protein, fiber, and yes some (or lots of) fat, but they are 100% natural and fill you up to keep you from wanting to lunge for the bag of chips / loaf of wonder bread, etc…

    Some great advice I read somewhere and try to follow is simply look for foods that are nutrient rich. Pay attention to calories, yes, but don’t freak out about not following XYZ fad diet to the letter. Eat foods that are natural (stick to the outside walls of the grocery store, not the over-processed stuff in the middle), balanced and most of what you eat should have some decent nutritional value. Go for rewards / free for all meals on occasion, but again in moderation.

  9. A vegan says:

    Hey Athol,
    Long-time reader, first-time commenter here. Before you go “whole hog” on Paleo, I’d recommend you take a look at the other side of the coin:
    1. Meat-eating LOWERS your testosterone and clogs your arteries, including the one leading to your most important appendage:
    http://www.peaktestosterone.com/Testosterone_Vegetarian.aspx
    2. Mark Sisson’s paleo physique is due to excessive exercise and anabolic steroids:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNy5pitYKhg
    3. Look at the flabby long-term paleo dieters like Sally Fallon, Loren Cordain, Dr. Atkins and others, and compare them to the lean, vigorous old vegans (including the 90-somethings in Asia who still get it in).
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95fpzu38r44

    Take a listen to some of Dr. John McDougal’s vids on YouTube, or try The China Study, Healthy at 100, anything by Doug Graham. Humans are designed to eat starches, fruits, vegetables, and not much meat if any. I’ve been eating “McDougall-style” for a couple years and look and feel great, with more “vigor” than my wife can handle ;) . You’re going to thank yourself in the long run for not filling your gas tank with sludge.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XVf36nwraw

  10. Thaedron says:

    And I 100% agree with things tasting too sweet after you have cut down on the sugar… I used to down 16 oz of Mountain Dew every day for lunch. A couple of years ago I switched to unsweetened, brewed ice tea. Plus other less sweet choices throughout my day. Now, I can’t stand to drink that vile, yellow-green sludge.

  11. A.B. Dada says:

    Protein powder derived from soy has massive amounts of arginine. This is what porn stars take as a supplement to increase their loads on camera.

    Peanuts have the most arginine if any nut. They’re not paleo either, for a variety if reasons.

  12. Duncan says:

    Yep, wheat and rice start to taste very sweet after you cut ‘em out. I eat Triscuits every once in a great while and am always a bit amazed at how sweet they taste, kind of like cookies.

  13. Trimegistus says:

    I have a diabetic in the family and we learned very quickly that there’s a huge difference between types of whole wheat bread. Some of it is the real deal, and some of it might as well be cake. Your best bet is to go to the bakery section of the supermarket instead of the bread aisle. They often have some pretty good fresh-baked stuff. You just have to eat or freeze it right away; no shelf life.

  14. crazyvan498 says:

    Grok on Athol! There is much to learn about primal living if your just a beginner. If you really want to lose weight intermittent fasting is the way to go and cutting carbs down to 50 grams a day. Read about it on marks site or books. Also you have to read Good Calories Bad Calories by Gary Taubes eventually when you have time. Mark learned Paleo from Gary. It is a long hard read, (hehe), but since your a nurse you should not have too much difficulty understanding all the research that is presented in Gary’s book.

  15. GumbyMan says:

    Awesome! I have been doing it for a couple of months… well, I cheat a lot, but my goal is Paleo!
    My wife is on board now so it is easier. When she eats crap, or I am at someone else’s house I have trouble sticking to my plan. I just started Cross Fit, and recommend it as a great “primal” workout.

    I was the lecithin guy, and I wasn’t sure what it was that was causing the volume increase, so when I ran out I didn’t replace. My findings are that volume and pleasure decreased this past week and I didnt reach orgasm as often – with about the same amount of sex. everything else was pretty much the same. (supplements, and diet)

    @LongLostFriend says: “I wish I had found out about Paleo ten years ago.”
    the ironic thing is that the “caveman” diet wasn’t invented ten years ago! hahaha!
    -but seriously… it is mindblowing to me that no one figured it out sooner and that popular belief was so off base for so long.
    @Trimegistus says: “Your best bet is to go to the bakery section of the supermarket instead of the bread aisle. They often have some pretty good fresh-baked stuff. You just have to eat or freeze it right away; no shelf life.”
    –No, you best bet is to stay as far away from any bakery, bread, pasta, or rice section of the supermarket!

  16. Athol Kay says:

    The old joke is you only shop the outside wall of the super market.

  17. A.B. Dada says:

    “The old joke is you only shop the outside wall of the super market.”

    Where all the gluten-heavy bread, hormone-injected dairy, and grain-fed meat is.

  18. Changed Man says:

    The wife & I are also trying to work our way into the Paleo Diet.

    If you’re looking for a good book of recipes, check out “Paleo Comfort Foods: Homestyle Cooking in a Gluten-Free Kitchen”, by Julie & Charles Mayfield. Almond flour is their goto replacement… a bit expensive but worth it, IMO.

  19. I'm a man says:

    hehe… I bet Supreme 90 day is kicking your ass. Keep up the good work.

  20. Ben says:

    Be thankful that your bread only had “regular” sugar: a lot of it has that devil’s brew known as High-Fructose Corn Syrup.

    Also, the term “multigrain” on bread and cereal labels means exactly nothing. What you want to look for is something that’s made entirely of WHOLE grain, and avoid anything that’s made with white, bleached, or “enriched” flour, all terms that mean they’ve removed the most nutrition-rich parts of the grain and left you with the crap.

    Of course, if you’re going grain-free once you burn through what you’ve currently got around the house, none of that matters, but for the record, it IS possible to eat grains that aren’t pure crap for you, you just have to do a lot of squinting at labels and know what to look for, because a lot of the terms that get thrown around (like “multigrain”) that sound vaguely healthy are really just advertising terms that don’t tell you anything.

  21. Ben says:

    Also, just throwing this out there: I reached a stasis point in my diet and exercise where doing what I was doing kept me where I was at, but I wasn’t dropping any more weight or putting on much more muscle. Switched my standard breakfast from a bagel with cream cheese to a scrambled egg on one slice of whole-grain toast and my standard lunch from a sandwich on two slices of whole-grain bread to the same sandwich on one of those whole-grain sandwich thins (about the equivalent of just one slice of bread instead of two). Didn’t make any other changes to my diet or exercise routine.

    Dropped five pounds almost instantly and I’m still dropping almost a pound a week (if I don’t cheat too much).

  22. Stingray says:

    We’ve been eating very low carb/paleo for about 8 months now. I am amazed at how much what I can tolerate has changed. We went on vacation in May and I went and ate whatever I wanted for my daughters birthday party. I Puked. My. Brains. Out. It would have only slightly slowed me down before starting this. It’s amazing. the best part is between this and hitting the gym hard, I weigh what I did in high school. I love it. I also went from needing a nap 3-4 days a week to not needing them and not getting tired until much later in the evening. I can’t say enough good things about it.

    We also got started with Protein Power by Michael and Mary Dan Eades.

    Dr. Michael Eades blog is very good too, though he seems to have stopped posting.

  23. Stingray says:

    Sorry, don’t know what happened with links!

    Fixed them.

  24. Newly Aloof says:

    Male Sexual Secrets book says Lecithin increases sperm size (something about thickening the cell membranes I believe) and amount.

  25. Man Without an Agenda says:

    I love the paleo concept. However, I think that it appears to be TOO meat driven in its application. As I understand the diet, you try to eat like pre-farming human, a hunter-gatherer. However, most hunter gatherers subsist largely on vegetables and fruits, and meat when they can get it. I think the misconception of the paleo diet assumes that we were ALL A-1 hunters, who made a kill every day, and ate meat every day. This is not the reality for modern day hunter-gatherers. So, I say yes to paleo, with a marked restriction on the meat intake of protein three times a day. This is my humble unresearched and unread opinion. Anyone care to disabuse me of it?

  26. Ponyboy says:

    Having a fun week is always good.

    I had a P90X given to me. I assume it’s the same as the Supreme 90 Day, that baby is tough.

    I thought I was in OK shape, but after doing a couple of those workouts I felt like I had a lot further to go.

  27. GumbyMan says:

    @ A vegan says:
    1. Meat-eating LOWERS your testosterone and clogs your arteries, including the one leading to your most important appendage:
    http://www.peaktestosterone.com/Testosterone_Vegetarian.aspx
    –The only study referenced here compares vegans to meat eaters – but what kind of meat eaters? (The study only adjusted for age and smoking) it takes a lot of discipline to be on a vegan diet, so the folks on it will always be more healthy than an average North American on a processed food diet. They will tend to be exercising (which increases T) and eating lots more fresh vegetables than an average diet. What would the study results be with a Vegan vrs a McDonalds diet? or vegan vrs a true Primal Paleo diet? eating grass fed beef and free run chicken? as well as all the same great veggies/Nuts and exercising.
    http://www.marksdailyapple.com/how-to-increase-testosterone-naturally/#axzz2350CayVb
    This doesn’t say that meat increases T it says heavy lifting and Sprinting do.
    2. Mark Sisson’s paleo physique is due to excessive exercise and anabolic steroids:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNy5pitYKhg
    Is Testosterone a Steroid? that’s what the link is talking about. Mark talks about that time when he was over training, and he addresses not overtraining in his book, he was very sick at the time he was doing that and that lead him to exploring the Paleo diet. Article Mark wrote in that is featured in the link is all about heavy duty endurance athletes that are training daily for iron man competitions, not for average joe folks working out at a reasonable amount. He clearly promotes NOT OVERTRAINING and doing it in a ‘primal’ way, mostly slow pace(walking hiking 5-7hrs/wk) + brief periods of sprinting (2-3x/wk) + lifting heavy wieghts (1-3x/wk).
    -Now apparently 5 years ago, Mark believed that if you are going to do it anyway (even though he clearly says not to and to take time off from training) that taking Testosterone will help your body through this time of heavy stress. Does he still believe that? who knows? but unless Athol is going for the Iron Man Training program he doesn’t have to worry about it.
    3. Look at the flabby long-term paleo dieters like Sally Fallon, Loren Cordain, Dr. Atkins and others, and compare them to the lean, vigorous old vegans (including the 90-somethings in Asia who still get it in).
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95fpzu38r44
    Dr. Atkins was NOT PALEO!! he was atkins diet which leaves out a lot of good stuff that is good about vegan diet and is also good about Paleo. there are a lot of Ripped, athletic paleo diet folks to.
    Take a listen to some of Dr. John McDougal’s vids on YouTube, or try The China Study, Healthy at 100, anything by Doug Graham. Humans are designed to eat starches, fruits, vegetables, and not much meat if any. I’ve been eating “McDougall-style” for a couple years and look and feel great, with more “vigor” than my wife can handle ;) . You’re going to thank yourself in the long run for not filling your gas tank with sludge.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XVf36nwraw

    The misconception is that the Paleo is all about the Meat. It isn’t, it is all about clean living and eating a balance of good quality meat and LOTS of healthy organic vegetables etc.
    - I believe that being Vegan is good, but I don’t believe it is the only way – and I don’t believe it is the best for me. the big thing is DON”T EAT CRAP and both diets are all about that and that I believe is 90% of the battle, in our modern processed/fast food world.

  28. GumbyMan says:

    @Man Without an Agenda

    Yes, I agree. low amounts of clean, high quality meat
    + LOTs of veggies + a bit of nuts and seeds etc.

  29. SentWest says:

    Congrats! Keep with it, you’ll see some serious changes.

    Today is my 60th day on strict paleo and 49th day in ketosis. I’ve dropped 20 pounds in that time, effortlessly. The best bit is that I’m never hungry, but I’ve had a bunch of other positive changes to just about every part of me as well. Also continuing to put up great weights in the gym for a chick.

  30. jodark says:

    @Gumbyman
    Vegans may have higher T however they also have much higher SHBG which binds to Testosterone and renders it useless. However, eating red meat, eggs and certain types of nuts (almonds, Brazil nuts) provides the cholesterol needed to bind to the SHGB (Testosterone is very much like cholesterol and is produced using many of the basic elements) to free up more testosterone.
    Cod liver oil and fortified butter also will stimulate the body’s testosterone producing abilities.

    Also, if you are a man, avoid soy like the plague. It has a shit-ton of estrogen in it.

  31. LongLostFriend says:

    True story on the soy.

    For the record, Paleo is not anti-vegetable in the slightest. In fact, I have been enjoying a lot of vegetables I never used to eat, or had never even tried before. Spinach and kale are staples in my refrigerator. Avocados are, too. I have been enjoying beets and asparagus and I am looking forward to roasting this parsnip I bought the other day.

  32. rycamor says:

    I have done a fair amount of reading and thinking on the subject of diet and nutrition. I particularly like Dr. Mercola’s concept of nutritional typing. Some people will flourish on lower meat and higher vegetable diets, some on mixed diets, and some on high meat/fat diets. He recommends the same foods in general (avoid grains, eat fresh vegetables and fruits, grass-fed beef, unpasteurized dairy), but different ratios.

    I found that I was best off in the middle category: lots of veggies, but at least two good heavy sources of protein a day, either eggs or meat, and a fair amount of dairy. Also, I found that when I upped my fat intake with coconut oil, butter, sour cream, avocado, etc… my dry skin problems disappeared, and my cholesterol and blood pressure have never been better.

    I started with the Supreme 90 Day DVD but honestly just didn’t have time for that hour a day of exercise. I found that when I just did a few seriously focused high-intensity exercises every day or two, taking maybe 20-30 minutes at most, within a few months I was fitter than I have been since my 20s. At present I am about 5-10 lbs away from washboard abs, and that’s on a 6’2″ frame weighing 190lbs. Doing this, I am the picture of health even though my day job involves sitting, and my work involves a lot of driving or travel. I really wish I could exercise more.

    The ABSOLUTE BEST thing anyone can do for their diet is to start a garden, and go as natural as possible. Learn to compost instead of buying chemical fertilizers. There is nothing like the feeling of health you get when you pick fresh vegetables and eat them within the hour. Next, if you can’t raise your own chickens, find some farmer nearby who has actual pastured hens. Those eggs will cost twice as much, but they will be worth it. Eat some raw eggs (or at least raw egg yolks) every now and then.

  33. Stingray says:

    Rycamor

    Check out Ellington Darden’s book on HIT training. Sounds like you may already be doing this, but might be worth a look anyway to get that washboard. ;)

    http://www.amazon.com/The-High-Intensity-Training-Muscle-Building/dp/1594860009

  34. Jack Schitz says:

    Hey Athol:

    Forget P90X (or whatever). Go get yourself a book by Dr. Doug McGruff (yeah I know I laughed too when I first heard his name) called “Body by Science”. Its a super time efficient way to do weight work outs. Also look into Super 8s at Mercola.com, they are a super time efficient way to do “cardio”.

    Oh and dump the penuts…

    Cheers.

  35. LongLostFriend says:

    One interesting “sex life” aspect to me going Paleo: my girlfriend reports that my semen tastes much better.

    I’d be interested in hearing if Jennifer would report similar results.

  36. H says:

    GumbyMan is right about the info on peaktestosterone.com
    Paleo is fine, just watch the saturated fats. To much in a meal and your blood flow will be temporary shocked afterwards potentially treating with ED. Stay miles away from coconut oil if you like erections. Your own that is.
    Another good site to read is fitmole.
    http://www.fitmole.net/answering-every-god-damn-question-you-have-about-weight-loss/

    http://www.fitmole.net/8-ridiculous-myths-everyone-believes-about-their-metabolism/

    I’ve had much success with resistance training and intermittent fasting.

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