Let Noobs Die in a Fire

Time for a geeky World of Warcraft post. I’m healing on a Holy Paladin.

Combat begins…

Boss creates completely obvious pool of fire on the ground centered where the Mage, the Hunter and the Warlock are standing.

The Hunter and Warlock scamper out of the fire and take a damage tick.

Mage doesn’t move and just keeps casting Frostbolt at the boss.

Mage takes some damage from the fire.

I cast a Flash of Light at the Mage and top up his health.

I Flash of Light the Hunter and then the Warlock to top up health.

[Jennifer: Just to be clear, I have no idea what any of this means.]

Mage takes some damage from the fire.

Mage keeps casting Frostbolt at the boss.

Holy Light healing the Warrior tanking the boss.

Me: Move out of the fire.

Mage takes some damage from the fire.

Mage keeps casting Frostbolt at the boss.

[Jennifer: Y’all wanted him to blog again.]

I cast Holy Light and top up the Mage’s health.

Holy Light healing the Warrior tanking the boss.

Me: MOVE MAGE

Mage takes some damage from the fire.

Mage keeps casting Frostbolt at the boss.

Holy Light on the Mage.

Mage takes some damage from the fire.

Mage keeps casting Frostbolt at the boss.

Holy Light on the Warrior tanking the boss.

Me: …

[Jennifer: Oh dear god, just skip to the end if you don’t play Warcraft. He goes on and on like this for a while.]

Mage falls to 15% health.

Mage: WTF HEAL

Emote: Paladin blows Mage a kiss!

Mage: #&*%**# YOU

Mage dies in the fire.

Holy Light on Warrior.

[Jennifer: Why am I even editing this post at 1am? This whole thing smacks of a Fitness Test.]

Boss killed and looted.

Mage: WHY DON’T YOU LEARN TO PLAY YOU SHITTY HEALER

Me: I’m not going to heal you if you stand in the fire.

Mage: Screw you.

Hmmmm…. challenge accepted.

Requeue for another dungeon hoping the Mage is so desperate for groups he’ll join again.

New group forms. Death Knight is tank.

Mage: The healer is crappy kick him.

Death Knight pulls three packs of trash mobs, tanks easily, I keep everyone up easily.

[Jennifer: Keep going, I’ll tell you when to start reading again.]

Mage pulls next pack of mobs.

Death Knight ignores Mage and pulls two other packs.

Much wailing and gnashing of teeth from the Mage as he’s owned by enraged orcs.

Mage: Rez please.

Me: Run back in.

Mage: …

Mage eventually runs back in the front door of the instance and catches up with the group.

Final boss again, combat begins…

Boss creates completely obvious pool of fire on the ground centered where the Mage, the Hunter and the Warlock are standing.

Everyone quickly scampers out of the fire.

 

So… the moral of the story.

[Jennifer: HERE! Start reading here!]

If people don’t respond to talk, let the natural consequences play out and allow their folly to educate them.

Sometimes people have to repeatedly die in a fire before they learn. If you keep helping them, you’re training them to be stupid. And by default to despise you.

Now if you’re a nice person, you probably feel that allowing the lazy and stupid to get owned by their sub-optimal planning, makes you a terrible, terrible person. If that’s the case, you’re probably also confusing the subtle, but important difference between fire extinguishers and flamethrowers. It’s not like you set them on fire.

So…

What dumb shit do you keep rescuing your partner from, that they are completely capable of handling themselves? 

 

Comments

  1. I will have to think about this, it is a good question!

  2. John Quest says:

    Once again…very poignant.

  3. Akatsukami says:

    There’s a difference between “sub-optimal planning” and “too stupid to live, even virtually”.

  4. TheatreMommy says:

    But it does become complicated when your lives are so intertwined. Great advice for the beginning of a relationship, or for parenting … but for a spouse, when the consequences don’t only affect the spouse…

  5. You two have the greatest sense of humor. Love all the Jen comments.

    What do I do? Not sure what I do now but many years ago… Wed nights (kid visitation night) he was up till midnight going overboard taking care of kid stuff in very disorganized ways. I started trying to help with their dinner, laundry, dishes, lunches, homework. But the more I did, the more he seemed to add to his plate and the later he would get to bed. I stopped helping. He eventually got frustrated and stopped going overboard and got to bed earlier.

  6. Chakotay says:

    How appropriate that the former health professional is a Healer, but I can’t help but chuckle at the irony of the atheist casting Holy Light and Resurrection spells! Jenn’s comments are laugh-out-loud funny! So glad to have y’all back on a more regular basis.

  7. Redpillwifey says:

    I second TheatreMommmy’s question.

    To extend the analogy, let’s say the tank is doing dumb shit, like pulling 5 packs of elite mobs at once. If you let him die, you die too, because they nerfed the ability to bubble-hearth.

    Bubble-hearthing isn’t really an anology for anything, I just miss being able to do that.

  8. “Sometimes people have to repeatedly die in a fire before they learn. If you keep helping them, you’re training them to be stupid. And by default to despise you.”

    This is also one reason why therapists are cautious about giving actual advice.

  9. Zoroaster says:

    I PvP on my Holy Paladin, and yeah, you have to make a policy not to aid and abet incompetence, or that ‘a all you’ll get. Just like anywhere else. You get what you incentivize..

    Sometimes, the burned hand really DOES teach best.

  10. pdwalker says:

    Timely post.

    Applies also to work. I was just deciding what words to use on someone standing on a fire of their own making.

    I’ll say it once and then I’ll watch ‘em burn.

  11. JemStone says:

    This is where some of us (uh, me!) need to learn how to be an asshole. Just because you -can- prevent harm at times, doesn’t mean you should. Even if it means that you are in the short term unfairly judged. As has been mentioned this is much much harder in a family with a bunch of kids where the stupid actions affect everyone. Identifying where the line is and how you start doing this without making things worse sometimes seems impossible.

  12. Milf-in-Training says:

    This works, as long as the Mage isn’t the only one protecting you from the enemies.

    Or if the Mage is going down, and puls you down after them.

    The healer needs to be in a position of strength and safety to make this work. Or, to put it in non-Gamer terms, MAP until you’re at least at Phase 3 before you try this.

  13. Monkeys_Uncle says:

    I’ve never played WoW and this only makes a tiny bit of sense to me, but I think it’s the same thing Kris Kristofferson was talking about when he sang, “If you waste your time talking to the people who don’t listen to the things that you are saying… who do you think’s gonna hear?”

  14. I don’t do the rescue thing with my husband but I find myself doing this with my kids. It’s not easy but there’s a point when you just have to let it go and let them make their own mistakes.

  15. Practicallyperfect says:

    This is one of the best post yet!
    And moreover this also applies to parenting today.

  16. Juperrin says:

    Im surpised you kept the mage up that long.
    When I’m healing any dps that pulls, I dont heal them for that fight. Same goes for standing in bad, except the tank.
    And now I got to remember this isn’t a WoW forum :)

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